I saw it minutes after Steve posted it. It'll be very interesting to see what happens next. Probably nothing at all, but you never know, the narrative just keeps on crumbling, day after day.
I take Sasha's input very seriously, given her stellar work on exposing the military connection to the COVID operation, but I don't think she's 100% correct on this one. The Project Veritas sting is all part of the death of a thousand cuts of the public's trust in Big Pharma and their whores, the medical profession (the world's second oldest profession).
With Walker's identity now verified and nothing of any real import added to Sasha's Substack on the matter, your point is certainly reasonable enough to be going on with.
There's plenty of theorising in the comments section of some other substacks, but who knows? It's early days. At least it's getting discussed on new, free-speech twitter, and Tucker Carlson has interviewed Robert Malone. So even if there's a good deal of anti-Malone distrust on both sides, the fact the conversation is moving into the mainstream is cause to be well-pleased.
I rang them and happened to mention the word fraud. Special circumstances were invoked to enable a refund.......same place invoking vaccination status previously as I discovered later. Funny little word ATM
Planning their own demise or is that wishful thinking?? Those bastards keep on keeping on.
Social tiidbit for visitors to The Tropic at Burleigh....... don't endeavour to attend a family lunch including two young children if one of your group has a special.all tattoo of his parents initials behind his ears. Evidently this means you are part of the Mafia and are deemed an unacceptable risk to society. Not so unacceptable that they find your Visa Card unacceptable . Refused entry only to have your account debited $110.00 for not attending your booking. OMG enjoy your Saturday xx
Veritas is very careful about crossing all the 't's and dotting the 'i's before they release an undercover video. You can bet your bottom dollar that this guy is (or was) a Pfizer employee. I doubt he will have many job options after this.
"beneath your dignity."- Robyn, lets not use this sort of approach..
They have "changed" the process - sure - but the basic proposition - they never isolate the "virus" - is still the same. What I am saying to you is the CPA they claim proves the "virus" is just the degradation of the cells. This is why all their tests don't test for the "virus" - which they don't have - they use a surrogate with no "gold" standard. This paper simple shows changes in technical methods - no change in basic approach.
Basically the process IS their proof - ridiculous - Lanka just did a series of experiments and proved this.
Please give me one paper where, in the methods section, they :
1. take a biological specimen and do a process that provides a isolate - as per the dictionary - alone - by it's self.
2. With that isolated microbe they prove, scientifically, contagion.
I did not come lightly to this position - I have researched both sides - I am no dogged but I want to see the paper that proves I am wrong - not 50 links to NCBI - a completely captured private vending machine for the Pharmaceutical industry.
You haven't addressed a single one of the points I've made; instead you keep reverting to the same dogmatic assertions that I've heard from everyone who has swallowed this nonsense. This is the last time I will engage with you as my time is limited and it's clear that you have no desire to learn, merely to prove yourself right.
1. It is not possible to isolate a virus from all other biological material in the manner you demand, because it is an intracellular parasite that can only replicate by entering a living cell and using the protein-making apparatus of that cell to make copies of itself. It is beyond ridiculous to insist that the 'dictionary definition' of isolation be applied to viruses. It would have been better if a neologism had been coined to describe the technique by which viruses were identified, because 'isolation' is confusing. (Hans Selye's borrowing of the engineering term 'stress' in the context of biological adaptation has proved similarly problematic.)
2. How do you expect me to demonstrate to you that viral contagion has been confirmed if you refuse to accept a paper indexed by PubMed? This is utterly absurd and demonstrates your complete ignorance of how scientific research is performed and published. Please, stop wasting my time.
Typo - yes - that was the paper where he invented the cell process that is use today. So I guess can I ask - do you think the process he describes in that paper, the cellular culture process - that is used today - establishes the presence of a "virus" (a replication-competent intracellular parasite capable of causing disease in a host such as a human ) - as they describe?
Enders was a pioneer in his field, and his paper very appropriately expresses his doubts and concerns about the technique that he was developing - as all good scientific papers should. Enders' technique has been extensively modified over the nearly 70 years since he developed it (I imagine there have been some developments in your academic field over that time course, too) and additional methods have been developed, e.g. see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1797634/ and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4850366/. To insist that all of virology is built on Enders' experiment is a straw man argument, which is beneath your dignity.
Hmm... I have read many - Just so you know, I am an academic with 35 years experience- different discipline admitted - lets talk about the seminal work from Ender - 1954. Let me know when you have read it..
Are you talking about Enders' (the man's name is Enders, not Ender) paper on measles? Yes, I've read it. What does that have to do with any of our foregoing discussion?
This can't be done via text. I see all the programmed talking points here - and I am not being rude - and I used to believe them to.
If you ever want a chat I would love to explain these new/but very old concepts of natural health.
Regards..
Quick Ans:
"Are you attempting to argue that "simple cellular decay/debris" has the ability to heal people with life-threatening bacterial infections?" - no - bacteria clean up poisoned cells.
And I certainly don't mean to be rude, but you are using the exact same talking points that I've seen from every person who has never studied biology, biochemistry, physiology or immunology, and who has no notion of evolutionary biology, but has gotten sucked in by the 'no virus' people and now believes themselves to be an expert on human health and disease. And I can just imagine your answer to that one, because I've seen it before from all the other victims of the Dunning-Kruger effect that have swallowed this nonsense: "All those fields have been funded by Rockefeller Medicine, therefore they're invalid". Which is total bollocks, because the vast majority of basic biological science is publicly funded. When you're ready to learn how to read a scientific study, and to conduct an argument that is based on evidence, sure, let's talk.
By the way, I'm sure all those people who died of bacterial pneumonia, typhoid fever and sepsis would be really pleased to know that the bacteria were just there to clean up their poisoned cells. Have you any idea how ridiculous that notion is? No, I guess you don't, because you have no idea what a macrophage, or pathogen-associated molecular patterns, or complement proteins, or pyrogens, or any other aspect of the immune response is. But you've watched some videos and read some articles written for lay-people, so now you know everything there is to know. Give me a break.
I've been in the natural health field for nearly 30 years, by the way. I'm not sure whether to be offended or amused by your quaint belief that you have something new to teach me. For my own sanity, I'll choose to be amused.
If you actually want to learn about how the human body works, and how it interacts with pathogens, I highly recommend the courses run by IPAK: https://ipak-edu.org/course-listings/
So great about your kids.. My position is based on science - not dogma.
"electron cryotomography" - sure - but what is the providence of the material. Seeing an image with arrows means nothing.
"bacteriophage " - well of course - there are all sorts of little guys scurrying around - But the "virus" exists? - as described? - where is the science? What they mistake for this "virus" is simple cellular decay/debris.
"The FOIs have been written in such a way as to guarantee a null response, because they describe techniques that are not used in virology."
Honestly this is incorrect. Cellular Culture ( Enders) is not one of the ways - it is the ONLY way they show a virus and is done today - look at the Chinese papers in the methods section. The FOI work is very important. If they have a virus specimen, and surely they do - why not just show it? ( I understand all their push to just "assemble" stuff in computers- it's all bs)
"Contagion " - Look - I did not believe it either - I believed all the things I was programmed to believe. There is not one papers anywhere to proved contagion. In fact the papers that do exist - US Navy - Spanish flu etc - they could never prove contagion. All the things you mention are epidemiological observations - interesting ( and there are reasons based on natural heath ) but not proof.
Chickenpox is an example of a febrile exanthem - this concept is key to understanding many "diseases".
Please lets clear our minds of all this extraneous stuff and meet the issue - Show me the proof that a virus exists from a biological specimen- as described- and can cause contagion. Where is is the science - the paper - where? Send me one.
Robyn, you are smart and strong. I am an old man trying to help people - mostly for the children I guess. I have no other agenda. I have thousands of presentations and references but it is exhausting.
BYW - I am new to this - there have been honorable men and women battling this evil for a long time - When Pasture set out this Theories ( actually Hypothesizes ) it was 50/50 for 40 years in the medical area. Look at Antoine Béchamp's work. But then Rockefeller saw there was money in it he killed all the natural medical hospitals in the USA.
Why is this so important. Just image if we are right - do you see what a change this would make - we would be free to live as our creator designed. Fear in the currency of these evil psychopaths.
Please look at these..I just don't know where to start:
Isolation
At lease this one - please. These 2 guys are the real deal - I have researched their positions - what they says pans out.
I do not understand what you're trying to argue about bacteriophages. Are you attempting to argue that "simple cellular decay/debris" has the ability to heal people with life-threatening bacterial infections? How does this make any sense whatsoever? I'm not sure if you grasped what the articles about bacteriophages were saying, but bacteriophages are viruses that infect bacteria. They are large enough to be seen under a light microscope. Are you denying that they exist? Please clarify your argument.
The FOIs are worded such that a null response is guaranteed, because they insist that the virus sample should not first be combined with any other source of genetic material. This is utter nonsense, since viruses are intracellular pathogens that only replicate within living cells, therefore they have to be combined with other sources of genetic material in order to be cultured.
Here is just one example of the isolation of the chickenpox virus from vesicles: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8699164/. There are many more. Note that the isolation rate was 100% in the first two days after the onset of symptoms, and declined gradually with time to 1 of 6 in the samples 6 days after symptom onset, and that isolation of antibodies followed the inverse pattern, exactly as would be predicted by viral theory.
Here is a paper on how a particular protein is used by the varicella-zoster virus to infect nerve cells: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28356523/, and how deletion of the gene that codes for this protein reduces the ability to infect such cells. If you are correct that there is no such thing as chickenpox virus, and that what scientists claim is the chickenpox virus is just cellular debris, then how does a very precise manipulation of that 'debris' alter the ability of the thing-you-claim-isn't-a-virus to enter neuronal tissue?
Your criticisms of the Rockefeller take-over of medicine are valid, but have nothing whatsoever to do with whether viruses exist. Many of the most revered natural medicines, whether herbal medicines or homoeopathic remedies, have antiviral effects and were used by practitioners to treat what they recognised as contagious conditions (although they did not have the means to identify the infectious agents).
Mutating the "virus" - for Gods sake, what f(^&(n "virus".. I am so sick of this crap. There is NO "virus" as they describe - there is NO contagion - never ever been proven - Stop it..
I'm interested in your views on this. Do you mean that you believe there is no novel virus (SARS-CoV-2) associated with COVID-19, or that there are no viruses at all?
I have been researching vaccines for about 15 years. I came across lots of people, Tom Cowan taught be a new way to think, Amandha Vollmer reminded me what a strong intelligent women looks like - remember I mentioned her to you - cause you reminded me of her when I first read your stuff.
Please read this reply to another - love to chat further..
This is to a lady who at least understands that Covid (Sars2) is just the flu. She does not realize the whole "virus" thing is just one long fraud and the nature of the flu - not caused by a "virus"..
"Almost there.. So I agree it was the flu/cold.. But what is the flu? Some evil inert molecule that even the pseudo-science people (Virology) agree is "dead" - some how came flying through the air to take over your body? Try to think about that rationally.. We, men women and children live in a toxic world, thanks to the same evil Corprates. At various times, prompted by various events, our bodies purge these toxins - this is the flu. So the "disease" in actually "the cure". The allopathitic system kills 150,000 people a year in the US alone - excluding vaccines - triple it - ( Covid - Millions ). CONTAGEON has NEVER been proven. Have you read any of the papers - US Navy trials - the stuff they did in the so called "Spanish Flu" - never been proven scientifically. Lots of vaccination in the Spanish flu - by the way. Currently over 200 FOI's to the CDC etc have come back - no isolate of SARS 2 held - no one anywhere has the "virus" - because it is a fictitious propaganda tool of the Rockefeller industrial Chemical Industry business model - Allopathic medicine - cut - burn - poison. There is no excuse not to know this - the information is readily available. There is NO "virus" as described. How many vaccines does it take to be healthy? NONE! ( sorry for another rant )"
I've been researching vaccines since I was in naturopathic college, in 1994. My kids (now 18 and 22) were never vaccinated. You can reject the concept of vaccination without rejecting the notion that viruses exist.
It's important to establish a clear epistemology on any contentious topic - that is, to ask ourselves how we know what we think we know, and also, what would be required in order for us to change our minds. If you hold onto a position so doggedly that you can't name anything that would make you change your mind, you're in the realm of belief rather than scientific knowledge.
The FOIs have been written in such a way as to guarantee a null response, because they describe techniques that are not used in virology. They are tendentious and time-wasting.
My most vivid experience of the phenomenon of contagion was when my son got chickenpox (from a fully vaccinated child, mind you) on school camp, then came home and infected my daughter and I. I had never had chickenpox as a child. The only person in our household who didn't get an itchy, blistering rash was my husband, who had had chickenpox as a child. Some years later when my son was undergoing treatment for a life-threatening condition, he developed shingles which is a known sequela of chickenpox that only occurs in people who have been exposed to the herpes zoster virus. I find the notion that this entire episode was caused by 'toxins' to be quite ridiculous. What toxin suddenly appears in one location (school camp), then abruptly pops up in another (our home), but only affects people who had never been ill from this 'toxin' before in its primary form (chickenpox), then magically transforms into a toxin that causes a related but different set of symptoms (shingles)?
Good on her! I don't subscribe to her stack (because I have to set a limit somewhere!) but her work is consistently excellent.
It's possible that the whole thing was a set-up but if it was, I would have expected the corporate media and Big Tech whores to have their story already sorted out. That doesn't seem to be the case, which makes me inclined to believe that Dr Jordon at the very least believes that Pfizer is doing, or planning to do, what he said they were. We shall see!
I saw it minutes after Steve posted it. It'll be very interesting to see what happens next. Probably nothing at all, but you never know, the narrative just keeps on crumbling, day after day.
It's like Mike's description of going bankrupt, in The Sun Also Rises: "Gradually, and then suddenly."
It would be great to get an updated video called: The Narrative - Died Suddenly.
I would totally watch that!
On the other hand, Sasha Lytapova may have hit the pause button on that kind of enthusiasm.
https://open.substack.com/pub/sashalatypova/p/omg-pfizer-is-mutating-covid?r=r7y5a&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
I take Sasha's input very seriously, given her stellar work on exposing the military connection to the COVID operation, but I don't think she's 100% correct on this one. The Project Veritas sting is all part of the death of a thousand cuts of the public's trust in Big Pharma and their whores, the medical profession (the world's second oldest profession).
With Walker's identity now verified and nothing of any real import added to Sasha's Substack on the matter, your point is certainly reasonable enough to be going on with.
There's plenty of theorising in the comments section of some other substacks, but who knows? It's early days. At least it's getting discussed on new, free-speech twitter, and Tucker Carlson has interviewed Robert Malone. So even if there's a good deal of anti-Malone distrust on both sides, the fact the conversation is moving into the mainstream is cause to be well-pleased.
John Leake's take is thoughtful: https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/understanding-the-bio-pharmaceutical. In essence, the military, pHarma companies, Big Tech and all the other players are all just heads of the hydra.
I rang them and happened to mention the word fraud. Special circumstances were invoked to enable a refund.......same place invoking vaccination status previously as I discovered later. Funny little word ATM
pFraud?
Planning their own demise or is that wishful thinking?? Those bastards keep on keeping on.
Social tiidbit for visitors to The Tropic at Burleigh....... don't endeavour to attend a family lunch including two young children if one of your group has a special.all tattoo of his parents initials behind his ears. Evidently this means you are part of the Mafia and are deemed an unacceptable risk to society. Not so unacceptable that they find your Visa Card unacceptable . Refused entry only to have your account debited $110.00 for not attending your booking. OMG enjoy your Saturday xx
WTAF???? I would be contesting that charge with the bank, for sure!
I can say is this:Since Political Mafia invented Virus they become multi billion era
Nut I don’t know anyone is taking money with them to another planet
So many is not needed for this New Hitlers Nazis Politics Mafia
I can say this Place Place stop Killing INNOCENT children Men and Women’s
All planet Earth is spending money on MEDICINE and Food Wares
Its time for Pice not WARS
Hitler wanted all planet earth but Hitler End up with Nazis Dead
We do not need this mess we are all In
We normal People asked for FREEDOM Not your Vaccine AFTER VACINE This Gestapos so called Democratic Mafias must end for God’s Sakes
This is very very sad to see what is going on on this Planet Earth
Amen
It sounds like he may be a legit Pfizer employee and the internet has now been purged of his online history. Thanks Google and Pfizer!
Veritas is very careful about crossing all the 't's and dotting the 'i's before they release an undercover video. You can bet your bottom dollar that this guy is (or was) a Pfizer employee. I doubt he will have many job options after this.
II too was stuck inside the box.. good luck..
You still are. You just don't have the sense and the humility to recognise it.
sure..
"beneath your dignity."- Robyn, lets not use this sort of approach..
They have "changed" the process - sure - but the basic proposition - they never isolate the "virus" - is still the same. What I am saying to you is the CPA they claim proves the "virus" is just the degradation of the cells. This is why all their tests don't test for the "virus" - which they don't have - they use a surrogate with no "gold" standard. This paper simple shows changes in technical methods - no change in basic approach.
Basically the process IS their proof - ridiculous - Lanka just did a series of experiments and proved this.
Please give me one paper where, in the methods section, they :
1. take a biological specimen and do a process that provides a isolate - as per the dictionary - alone - by it's self.
2. With that isolated microbe they prove, scientifically, contagion.
I did not come lightly to this position - I have researched both sides - I am no dogged but I want to see the paper that proves I am wrong - not 50 links to NCBI - a completely captured private vending machine for the Pharmaceutical industry.
Please - provide the paper.
You haven't addressed a single one of the points I've made; instead you keep reverting to the same dogmatic assertions that I've heard from everyone who has swallowed this nonsense. This is the last time I will engage with you as my time is limited and it's clear that you have no desire to learn, merely to prove yourself right.
1. It is not possible to isolate a virus from all other biological material in the manner you demand, because it is an intracellular parasite that can only replicate by entering a living cell and using the protein-making apparatus of that cell to make copies of itself. It is beyond ridiculous to insist that the 'dictionary definition' of isolation be applied to viruses. It would have been better if a neologism had been coined to describe the technique by which viruses were identified, because 'isolation' is confusing. (Hans Selye's borrowing of the engineering term 'stress' in the context of biological adaptation has proved similarly problematic.)
2. How do you expect me to demonstrate to you that viral contagion has been confirmed if you refuse to accept a paper indexed by PubMed? This is utterly absurd and demonstrates your complete ignorance of how scientific research is performed and published. Please, stop wasting my time.
Typo - yes - that was the paper where he invented the cell process that is use today. So I guess can I ask - do you think the process he describes in that paper, the cellular culture process - that is used today - establishes the presence of a "virus" (a replication-competent intracellular parasite capable of causing disease in a host such as a human ) - as they describe?
Enders was a pioneer in his field, and his paper very appropriately expresses his doubts and concerns about the technique that he was developing - as all good scientific papers should. Enders' technique has been extensively modified over the nearly 70 years since he developed it (I imagine there have been some developments in your academic field over that time course, too) and additional methods have been developed, e.g. see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1797634/ and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4850366/. To insist that all of virology is built on Enders' experiment is a straw man argument, which is beneath your dignity.
Hmm... I have read many - Just so you know, I am an academic with 35 years experience- different discipline admitted - lets talk about the seminal work from Ender - 1954. Let me know when you have read it..
Are you talking about Enders' (the man's name is Enders, not Ender) paper on measles? Yes, I've read it. What does that have to do with any of our foregoing discussion?
This can't be done via text. I see all the programmed talking points here - and I am not being rude - and I used to believe them to.
If you ever want a chat I would love to explain these new/but very old concepts of natural health.
Regards..
Quick Ans:
"Are you attempting to argue that "simple cellular decay/debris" has the ability to heal people with life-threatening bacterial infections?" - no - bacteria clean up poisoned cells.
And I certainly don't mean to be rude, but you are using the exact same talking points that I've seen from every person who has never studied biology, biochemistry, physiology or immunology, and who has no notion of evolutionary biology, but has gotten sucked in by the 'no virus' people and now believes themselves to be an expert on human health and disease. And I can just imagine your answer to that one, because I've seen it before from all the other victims of the Dunning-Kruger effect that have swallowed this nonsense: "All those fields have been funded by Rockefeller Medicine, therefore they're invalid". Which is total bollocks, because the vast majority of basic biological science is publicly funded. When you're ready to learn how to read a scientific study, and to conduct an argument that is based on evidence, sure, let's talk.
By the way, I'm sure all those people who died of bacterial pneumonia, typhoid fever and sepsis would be really pleased to know that the bacteria were just there to clean up their poisoned cells. Have you any idea how ridiculous that notion is? No, I guess you don't, because you have no idea what a macrophage, or pathogen-associated molecular patterns, or complement proteins, or pyrogens, or any other aspect of the immune response is. But you've watched some videos and read some articles written for lay-people, so now you know everything there is to know. Give me a break.
I've been in the natural health field for nearly 30 years, by the way. I'm not sure whether to be offended or amused by your quaint belief that you have something new to teach me. For my own sanity, I'll choose to be amused.
If you actually want to learn about how the human body works, and how it interacts with pathogens, I highly recommend the courses run by IPAK: https://ipak-edu.org/course-listings/
Hi Robyn, Thanks for your reply.
So great about your kids.. My position is based on science - not dogma.
"electron cryotomography" - sure - but what is the providence of the material. Seeing an image with arrows means nothing.
"bacteriophage " - well of course - there are all sorts of little guys scurrying around - But the "virus" exists? - as described? - where is the science? What they mistake for this "virus" is simple cellular decay/debris.
"The FOIs have been written in such a way as to guarantee a null response, because they describe techniques that are not used in virology."
Honestly this is incorrect. Cellular Culture ( Enders) is not one of the ways - it is the ONLY way they show a virus and is done today - look at the Chinese papers in the methods section. The FOI work is very important. If they have a virus specimen, and surely they do - why not just show it? ( I understand all their push to just "assemble" stuff in computers- it's all bs)
"Contagion " - Look - I did not believe it either - I believed all the things I was programmed to believe. There is not one papers anywhere to proved contagion. In fact the papers that do exist - US Navy - Spanish flu etc - they could never prove contagion. All the things you mention are epidemiological observations - interesting ( and there are reasons based on natural heath ) but not proof.
Chickenpox is an example of a febrile exanthem - this concept is key to understanding many "diseases".
Please lets clear our minds of all this extraneous stuff and meet the issue - Show me the proof that a virus exists from a biological specimen- as described- and can cause contagion. Where is is the science - the paper - where? Send me one.
Robyn, you are smart and strong. I am an old man trying to help people - mostly for the children I guess. I have no other agenda. I have thousands of presentations and references but it is exhausting.
BYW - I am new to this - there have been honorable men and women battling this evil for a long time - When Pasture set out this Theories ( actually Hypothesizes ) it was 50/50 for 40 years in the medical area. Look at Antoine Béchamp's work. But then Rockefeller saw there was money in it he killed all the natural medical hospitals in the USA.
Why is this so important. Just image if we are right - do you see what a change this would make - we would be free to live as our creator designed. Fear in the currency of these evil psychopaths.
Please look at these..I just don't know where to start:
Isolation
At lease this one - please. These 2 guys are the real deal - I have researched their positions - what they says pans out.
--> https://www.bitchute.com/video/mjtTWO7yUqbN/ <--
General
Nancy Turner Banks
https://www.bitchute.com/video/uasvQkipvkD4/
https://odysee.com/@bonniesmit:0/Nancy-Turner-Banks,-M.D-on-Vaccines:7
History
History of smallpox - Whilst young, this girl does good work. This is similar to other historical perspectives I have seen.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/hKKiJxELZHzL/?list=subscriptions
Rockefeller - The take-over of medicine
https://www.bitchute.com/video/11FEv1W7mOJa/
The provenance of the electron cryotomography was made clear in Peter McCullough's article: https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-022-04183-1.
I do not understand what you're trying to argue about bacteriophages. Are you attempting to argue that "simple cellular decay/debris" has the ability to heal people with life-threatening bacterial infections? How does this make any sense whatsoever? I'm not sure if you grasped what the articles about bacteriophages were saying, but bacteriophages are viruses that infect bacteria. They are large enough to be seen under a light microscope. Are you denying that they exist? Please clarify your argument.
The FOIs are worded such that a null response is guaranteed, because they insist that the virus sample should not first be combined with any other source of genetic material. This is utter nonsense, since viruses are intracellular pathogens that only replicate within living cells, therefore they have to be combined with other sources of genetic material in order to be cultured.
Here is just one example of the isolation of the chickenpox virus from vesicles: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8699164/. There are many more. Note that the isolation rate was 100% in the first two days after the onset of symptoms, and declined gradually with time to 1 of 6 in the samples 6 days after symptom onset, and that isolation of antibodies followed the inverse pattern, exactly as would be predicted by viral theory.
Here is a paper on how a particular protein is used by the varicella-zoster virus to infect nerve cells: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28356523/, and how deletion of the gene that codes for this protein reduces the ability to infect such cells. If you are correct that there is no such thing as chickenpox virus, and that what scientists claim is the chickenpox virus is just cellular debris, then how does a very precise manipulation of that 'debris' alter the ability of the thing-you-claim-isn't-a-virus to enter neuronal tissue?
Your criticisms of the Rockefeller take-over of medicine are valid, but have nothing whatsoever to do with whether viruses exist. Many of the most revered natural medicines, whether herbal medicines or homoeopathic remedies, have antiviral effects and were used by practitioners to treat what they recognised as contagious conditions (although they did not have the means to identify the infectious agents).
Mutating the "virus" - for Gods sake, what f(^&(n "virus".. I am so sick of this crap. There is NO "virus" as they describe - there is NO contagion - never ever been proven - Stop it..
I'm interested in your views on this. Do you mean that you believe there is no novel virus (SARS-CoV-2) associated with COVID-19, or that there are no viruses at all?
Hey Robyn,
I have been researching vaccines for about 15 years. I came across lots of people, Tom Cowan taught be a new way to think, Amandha Vollmer reminded me what a strong intelligent women looks like - remember I mentioned her to you - cause you reminded me of her when I first read your stuff.
Please read this reply to another - love to chat further..
This is to a lady who at least understands that Covid (Sars2) is just the flu. She does not realize the whole "virus" thing is just one long fraud and the nature of the flu - not caused by a "virus"..
"Almost there.. So I agree it was the flu/cold.. But what is the flu? Some evil inert molecule that even the pseudo-science people (Virology) agree is "dead" - some how came flying through the air to take over your body? Try to think about that rationally.. We, men women and children live in a toxic world, thanks to the same evil Corprates. At various times, prompted by various events, our bodies purge these toxins - this is the flu. So the "disease" in actually "the cure". The allopathitic system kills 150,000 people a year in the US alone - excluding vaccines - triple it - ( Covid - Millions ). CONTAGEON has NEVER been proven. Have you read any of the papers - US Navy trials - the stuff they did in the so called "Spanish Flu" - never been proven scientifically. Lots of vaccination in the Spanish flu - by the way. Currently over 200 FOI's to the CDC etc have come back - no isolate of SARS 2 held - no one anywhere has the "virus" - because it is a fictitious propaganda tool of the Rockefeller industrial Chemical Industry business model - Allopathic medicine - cut - burn - poison. There is no excuse not to know this - the information is readily available. There is NO "virus" as described. How many vaccines does it take to be healthy? NONE! ( sorry for another rant )"
I've been researching vaccines since I was in naturopathic college, in 1994. My kids (now 18 and 22) were never vaccinated. You can reject the concept of vaccination without rejecting the notion that viruses exist.
It's important to establish a clear epistemology on any contentious topic - that is, to ask ourselves how we know what we think we know, and also, what would be required in order for us to change our minds. If you hold onto a position so doggedly that you can't name anything that would make you change your mind, you're in the realm of belief rather than scientific knowledge.
There is a technique called electron cryotomography that has been used to take a 'photo' of SARS-CoV-2. You can see some of these images here: https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/electron-cryotomography-of-sars-cov
There is a type of virus called a bacteriophage that is large enough to be seen with a regular light microscope. These bacteriophages are used to treat antibiotic-resistant infections (e.g. see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24619620/, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5547374/). Here are some reports of people who were at death's door with antibiotic-resistant bacterial infections, until they received phage therapy: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-48199915, https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/pages/2017-04-25-novel-phage-therapy-saves-patient-with-multidrug-resistant-bacterial-infection.aspx, https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/scientist-who-defeated-worlds-worst-bacteria-save-husband/. If viruses don't exist, how can these results be explained?
The FOIs have been written in such a way as to guarantee a null response, because they describe techniques that are not used in virology. They are tendentious and time-wasting.
My most vivid experience of the phenomenon of contagion was when my son got chickenpox (from a fully vaccinated child, mind you) on school camp, then came home and infected my daughter and I. I had never had chickenpox as a child. The only person in our household who didn't get an itchy, blistering rash was my husband, who had had chickenpox as a child. Some years later when my son was undergoing treatment for a life-threatening condition, he developed shingles which is a known sequela of chickenpox that only occurs in people who have been exposed to the herpes zoster virus. I find the notion that this entire episode was caused by 'toxins' to be quite ridiculous. What toxin suddenly appears in one location (school camp), then abruptly pops up in another (our home), but only affects people who had never been ill from this 'toxin' before in its primary form (chickenpox), then magically transforms into a toxin that causes a related but different set of symptoms (shingles)?
Good on her! I don't subscribe to her stack (because I have to set a limit somewhere!) but her work is consistently excellent.
It's possible that the whole thing was a set-up but if it was, I would have expected the corporate media and Big Tech whores to have their story already sorted out. That doesn't seem to be the case, which makes me inclined to believe that Dr Jordon at the very least believes that Pfizer is doing, or planning to do, what he said they were. We shall see!