I used to say "I'm not an antivaxxer but..." I now say "I used to be neutral about vaccines but after reading RFK's book The Real Anthony Fauci I'm a total antivaxxer- they're all dangerous and useless"
When it comes to me and my family, we're firmly opposed to vaccination, for the exact reasons you've mentioned here. We've looked at the papers, we've looked at the statistics, and came to the exact same conclusion - most 'vaccine effectiveness' is determined purely through changing definitions of what constitutes a clinical presentation of that specific disease.
Having said that, if someone wishes to make the choice the other way then that is their decision and although I may present them the information otherwise I'm not going to accuse them of all sorts of unsavoury things simply for making a choice.
That and we know from personal experience that many Medical Practioners won't even consider that someone could have a 'vaccine preventable disease', even if they present with classic symptoms of that disease.
Another fantastic essay, Robyn. I have to admit, I used to use that phrase often in the early stages of the COVID-19 vaccine roll-out. It didn't take long to realise that this use of language was a deliberate attempt to discredit those with totally reasonable concerns (and, as you mentioned, conversation-stop) and I have since changed the way I phrase my position. I also agree about Dr Peter Doshi, I have listened to and read some of his work in fighting for open and transparent examination of the COVID-19 vaccines, and he is a man of courage and integrity. In terms of the broader vaccine conversation, a few years ago I would not have considered questioning routine childhood vaccinations (although I have never supported mandates in this space as I firmly believe the overwhelming majority of parents are trying their hardest to make decisions they genuinely believe are in their child's best interests), but experience post-pandemic onset has caused me to reassess many things I previously accepted professionally. The observational data collected during the lockdowns in the first year certainly do raise questions, and the other literature you cite (which I admit I am yet to read) sounds incredibly fascinating. Thank you so much for another articulate and well researched piece.
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Dual NZ/Oz citizen here. I can't come back to Australia without doing a $1,500 week in 'isolation'. Two weeks if I fly into Palaszczuk land.
And then it's maybe debatable if I can leave again (I have done so a few times in the last few years as has my wife, once, who has only Oz citizenship).
On the other side of the equation I could go for a holiday to Mexico with no problems getting back into NZ. But that's not the case for my wife.
And agree with regards to anti-vaxxer and in my experience if you embrace such a position then you can start slurring the other side with being vaxxers. And they shut up real fast.
Actually how could we ever think poisonings our beautiful bodies could ever be a route to better health - I have to admit - I was just asleep. But you see this - they tip the food table, tell the young ones C02 will kill the planet - they reverse most things - Black is white - good is evil etc
After watching the covid horror show, it is not like I’m just anti-vaccine, but I’m almost becoming anti-medicine. It is not like I’lll never inject myself or my children with these craps again, I don’t want to her the word “vaccine” ever again.
Have you ever played the game 'What Injectable Is That?" You have to wonder what else has been added to the Covid ingredients. For example, an unprecedented dose of stupidity , intolerance, moronicism and despotism must have been added to the doses given to Biden, Johnson, Scomo . I wonder what they've popped into the booster as an Easter surprise. Perhaps a thousand dollar bonus for turning up to work as a close covid contact and the probable chance of infecting others whilst others isolate for seven days in fear of fines and muted jail terms? God help us all this Easter!!
A big read and I confess to have skimmed it. I am slowly coming to the conclusion that almost all vaccines are a con ... mainly through my occasional listens to Dr Sam Bailey, author of Virus Mania.
Saul Alinsky opined, "Control the language, you control the people." This dogma has been used effectively by the corporate globalist technofascists marching under the Rainbow swastika and WaterMelon banners for years. For example, 'climate change' (the UNFCCC definitions, definitely not COD; UN defined, "Civil Society, an intentional confabulation on 'civilized'.
The 'anti-vaxx' label was solidly installed and utilized even before the jabbing en masse. The strategy was planned to include controlling the language, and isolating and demonizing the non-compliant. In any event, any discourse begins purely and simply with ethics and historical precedent. So just where did the screeching virulent, "my body, my choice," brigade suddenly evaporate to?
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Another important and informative post, a ton of thanks again Robyn. Are you familiar with the phenomenal vaccine research by Greg Beattie? You can view graphs of historical Australian mortality rates and vaccine interventions on his website, they show that diseases such as Scarlett fever disappeared from Australia without any vaccines. I highly recommend his book called ‘Fooling Ourselves’ to better understand vaccines and their use in Australia. https://vaccinationdilemma.com/ (I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I believe people should be free to take as many vaccines as they wish:)
After watching the covid horror show, it is not like I’m just anti-vaccine, but I’m almost becoming anti-medicine. It is not like I’lll never inject myself or my children with these craps again, I don’t want to her the word “vaccine” ever again.
I used to say "I'm not an antivaxxer but..." I now say "I used to be neutral about vaccines but after reading RFK's book The Real Anthony Fauci I'm a total antivaxxer- they're all dangerous and useless"
Canadians still can't travel on planes or trains within our own country, or anywhere else. I've met quite a few who are "escaping," moving to Mexico.
When it comes to me and my family, we're firmly opposed to vaccination, for the exact reasons you've mentioned here. We've looked at the papers, we've looked at the statistics, and came to the exact same conclusion - most 'vaccine effectiveness' is determined purely through changing definitions of what constitutes a clinical presentation of that specific disease.
Having said that, if someone wishes to make the choice the other way then that is their decision and although I may present them the information otherwise I'm not going to accuse them of all sorts of unsavoury things simply for making a choice.
That and we know from personal experience that many Medical Practioners won't even consider that someone could have a 'vaccine preventable disease', even if they present with classic symptoms of that disease.
Another fantastic essay, Robyn. I have to admit, I used to use that phrase often in the early stages of the COVID-19 vaccine roll-out. It didn't take long to realise that this use of language was a deliberate attempt to discredit those with totally reasonable concerns (and, as you mentioned, conversation-stop) and I have since changed the way I phrase my position. I also agree about Dr Peter Doshi, I have listened to and read some of his work in fighting for open and transparent examination of the COVID-19 vaccines, and he is a man of courage and integrity. In terms of the broader vaccine conversation, a few years ago I would not have considered questioning routine childhood vaccinations (although I have never supported mandates in this space as I firmly believe the overwhelming majority of parents are trying their hardest to make decisions they genuinely believe are in their child's best interests), but experience post-pandemic onset has caused me to reassess many things I previously accepted professionally. The observational data collected during the lockdowns in the first year certainly do raise questions, and the other literature you cite (which I admit I am yet to read) sounds incredibly fascinating. Thank you so much for another articulate and well researched piece.
"Stop playing their game."
EXACTLY!
We need to play them at their game. On the occasions that libs dared to call me that, I asked them to define it and prove it! That shut their mouths!
Dual NZ/Oz citizen here. I can't come back to Australia without doing a $1,500 week in 'isolation'. Two weeks if I fly into Palaszczuk land.
And then it's maybe debatable if I can leave again (I have done so a few times in the last few years as has my wife, once, who has only Oz citizenship).
On the other side of the equation I could go for a holiday to Mexico with no problems getting back into NZ. But that's not the case for my wife.
And agree with regards to anti-vaxxer and in my experience if you embrace such a position then you can start slurring the other side with being vaxxers. And they shut up real fast.
Agreed - They are all poison.
Actually how could we ever think poisonings our beautiful bodies could ever be a route to better health - I have to admit - I was just asleep. But you see this - they tip the food table, tell the young ones C02 will kill the planet - they reverse most things - Black is white - good is evil etc
Hmm.. where do we see this in the old cults?
After watching the covid horror show, it is not like I’m just anti-vaccine, but I’m almost becoming anti-medicine. It is not like I’lll never inject myself or my children with these craps again, I don’t want to her the word “vaccine” ever again.
Have you ever played the game 'What Injectable Is That?" You have to wonder what else has been added to the Covid ingredients. For example, an unprecedented dose of stupidity , intolerance, moronicism and despotism must have been added to the doses given to Biden, Johnson, Scomo . I wonder what they've popped into the booster as an Easter surprise. Perhaps a thousand dollar bonus for turning up to work as a close covid contact and the probable chance of infecting others whilst others isolate for seven days in fear of fines and muted jail terms? God help us all this Easter!!
A big read and I confess to have skimmed it. I am slowly coming to the conclusion that almost all vaccines are a con ... mainly through my occasional listens to Dr Sam Bailey, author of Virus Mania.
Saul Alinsky opined, "Control the language, you control the people." This dogma has been used effectively by the corporate globalist technofascists marching under the Rainbow swastika and WaterMelon banners for years. For example, 'climate change' (the UNFCCC definitions, definitely not COD; UN defined, "Civil Society, an intentional confabulation on 'civilized'.
The 'anti-vaxx' label was solidly installed and utilized even before the jabbing en masse. The strategy was planned to include controlling the language, and isolating and demonizing the non-compliant. In any event, any discourse begins purely and simply with ethics and historical precedent. So just where did the screeching virulent, "my body, my choice," brigade suddenly evaporate to?
btw - I love your work Robyn..
Another important and informative post, a ton of thanks again Robyn. Are you familiar with the phenomenal vaccine research by Greg Beattie? You can view graphs of historical Australian mortality rates and vaccine interventions on his website, they show that diseases such as Scarlett fever disappeared from Australia without any vaccines. I highly recommend his book called ‘Fooling Ourselves’ to better understand vaccines and their use in Australia. https://vaccinationdilemma.com/ (I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I believe people should be free to take as many vaccines as they wish:)
Brilliant researc writing and reading. Yes yes and yes. Happy Easter
After watching the covid horror show, it is not like I’m just anti-vaccine, but I’m almost becoming anti-medicine. It is not like I’lll never inject myself or my children with these craps again, I don’t want to her the word “vaccine” ever again.