I agree with Arkmedic that the courts are compromised, but the secret to success here is sheer volume of actions. Never forget that there were hundreds of unsuccessful lawsuits against the tobacco companies before the trial lawyers broke through, but they learned something from every case they lost, and eventually they succeeded in a huge way.
I know that's how success comes in reality, but I nevertheless fantasize about a world where it does not take 45 years and hundreds of court cases to get industry regulators and companies to be somewhat accountable. I even fantasize about a level of success where that accountability actually extends beyond a dollar settlement - to prison time for the executives, regulators, court officials who so brazenly obstructed justice, committed fraud and profited from the misery of others.
I agree that this is what SHOULD happen. As you know, that would require major reform of corporations law (I would argue that corporations law should be repealed) and the laws that currently protect government officials from being prosecuted for their actions.
So many damaged (and dead!) people from these disastrous and evil injections.
This rollout should never have happened, but it did. It should not still be going on, but it is. People should not have been lied to like this, but they were - and still are.
It's going to take one helluva push from the public to stop this madness. I give it at least 2 years to get the full pushback required. But by then, what utter carnage will have been unleashed...?
People are too slow to wake up. Too many are OK with being hurt/damaged/killed. Not enough people are pushing back. And by the time we drag cases through court, that's the 2+ years passed!
Oh yes, the Thai study!!! Thanks for reminding me about this one; for some reason I didn't have it in my article file. I will add this one to the post.
My mind shrinks away from even contemplating the scenario that we might be in, in 5-10 years, if even half of everything that is currently suspected about the jabs turns out to be true. I'm already seeing an uptick in cancers in my client population, in addition to the better-known cardiac adverse events.
Excellent analysis thank you. It will be interesting to observe in the next few months, how or if, the respective government bodies, acknowledge these adverse reactions from the 'vaccine'. I do feel for some medical practitioners who bought the narrative, no sympathy at all for the media.
My prediction is that the government will continue to deny, stonewall and gaslight the vast majority of injured people, while admitting to a very small number of adverse reactions that affect very few people.
As for the doctors who bought the narrative, my sympathy is very limited. They should have read the literature for themselves instead of swallowing the narrative hook, line and sinker. Their ethical responsibility is to make medical decisions on behalf of their individual patients. Yet these total scumbags have pushed jabs onto pregnant women, children and babies. Unforgiveable.
The media are disgraceful scum and deserve to rot in prison for the rest of their miserable lives.
Agree. The vaccine-injured are being palmed off, fortunately the 'real' health practitioners are treating them. I sometimes wonder if I am living in an 'alternate' universe, only to awaken to the nightmare. A number of people here who bought the jab or were forced to in order to work are pushing back. Will be interesting to witness who lines up for the next miracle shot. MSM are complicit as are many of the medical fraternity. 1-3 yrs more of the planned agenda to play out, hopefully not longer!
The push-back is accelerating. Pfizer in particular is facing attacks on multiple fronts. Once the discovery process gets underway in the multiple court cases that they're either already facing or will soon face, a lot of guilty parties will be revealed.
I suppose I could have called for them to be hanged, drawn and quartered ;-). I'm quite content with confiscation of all the assets they acquired as a result of their complicity in the narrative, and life-long imprisonment.
Actually, one more thing - they should have to sit in a court room and hear testimony from all the people who were harmed as a result of their demagoguery. Not just the 'vaccine'-injured, but the people whose businesses were closed down, those who were assaulted by the police, and those whose family members and friends turned against them because they weren't buying the narrative that the presstitutes were responsible for purveying.
I think for the true sociopaths, they couldn't care less about anyone's demise. They'd just sit there, with a blank look on their face, or they'd look at their nails sometimes, or out the window. Anything but engaging with these victims of societal collapse that these sociopaths pushed.
However, it would be helpful, possibly even cathartic, for these harmed people to be able to have their say - even if it falls on deaf ears.
Taking away these sociopaths' acquired assets/material goods, as well as tarnishing their names would help, but it wouldn't stop people like this. Even in prison, they'd find a way to do the dodgy! Sometimes I think a bullet to the head after they've heard everyone's testimonies would be more suitable. Think of all the money we'd save not feeding, housing, or clothing them in jail! :-D
I do agree that some people are so lacking in basic human decency that no amount of confrontation with the consequences of their bad behaviour would shame them; the movie Judgment at Nuremburg, which I understand was a pretty accurate representation of what actually took place in the lawyers' trial, is a great artistic depiction of this.
In cases like this, the purpose of victim testimony is, as you wrote, to provide catharsis for people who were harmed, and the purpose of punishment is its deterrence value to others who might contemplate such actions.
It's almost certain that psychopaths are not capable of rehabilitation, but sociopaths may be.
I'm torn on the issue of capital punishment. The libertarian in me says that the state has no right to take away life, and that if the people take such matters into their hands, we've descended into mob rule. On the other hand, Mathew Crawford's description (in https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-kunlangeta-part-i) of how the Inuit handle kulangeta (their word for irredeemable wrongdoers) is quite compelling: "Somebody would have pushed him off the ice when nobody else was looking." Asset seizure would partially solve the problem of paying for the upkeep of such people, but of course there are always unintended consequences, e.g. if you throw the offspring of imprisoned sociopaths into abject poverty by seizing the assets of their parents, do you increase the risk that they will become sociopaths too?
I honestly don't know the correct way of solving this, or even if there is one. I'm reminded of Gandalf's caution to Frodo: "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."
Brilliant summary of this research, Robyn. I worry for some of my former colleagues who have administered these prodects to patients, especially children.
To be clear, I worry more for those injected, but I also wish my former colleagues had been more assertive in their assessment of information like this. This may have saved lives, and would also have protected them from the legal, moral and ethical consequences they are likely to face.
It might seem unjust for me to call for injured people to sue their doctors when there were so many people whose actions and inactions contributed to this catastrophe. However, the process of getting accountability and justice needs to start somewhere, and doctors have a moral obligation to exercise their medical judgment on behalf of their individual patients, in a way that other professionals who were derelict in their duties (lawyers and journalists, for example) do not. Their betrayal is the most personal.
I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. I am not suggesting their should not be consequences, I just feel sad for those I know who I believe to be otherwise good people. I think you're right though; doctors, nurses and other healthcare professionals have the highest duty of care, and ethical failures must be appropriately addressed. The appalling lack of informed consent and the egregious coercion people were subjected (not to mention the many adverse effects suffered) should have been an obvious red flag which these healthcare professionals should have recognised AND forcefully pushed back against, regardless of the risk of professional consequences. To argue (as some people do) that doctors have mortgages, bills, etc. too and therefore needed to protect their jobs, cannot be an acceptable justification for their silence and complicity. As healthcare workers, our ethical duty to our patients is (or should be) paramount.
I pushed back. But I ended up closing my practice. I wasn't going to be a part of it. It became too painful to bear. We sold up and moved 1000km away. I've not worked for a year now. Still feels good :-)
But I didn't leave town because of the people administering this crap. I left mainly because 95% of my patients willingly took the crap, no matter what I explained to them (the truth!), and they took the jabs for mostly the same 'social' reasons as the perpetrators: they didn't want to lose social status by not being able to go into a shop/losing face locally, or not being able to pay their bills. True, some were scared and didn't want to die - but by taking these jabs they sure took the wrong path!!
There was failure to be a DECENT person on both sides of the fence. Many times the patients' thought processes were just as bad as the jabbers'.
Somewhere along the line you have to accept responsibility for your life, including your health, and so to ignore people you trust and have even known a long time, just because their words don't fit the social narrative, well, all I can say is that as a species, we're screwed.
And might I add that we are probably screwed because we need to evoke emotion to engage logic in our brains. When emotion wins out, logic never can. Most people have been effectively brainwashed with the whole covid saga, let alone lots of other sagas. Unless enough people can somehow manage to stand up against this, and finally scream "Enough!", then we will never see justice, or a decent improvement in society.
Just asking healthcare workers to be ethical is not enough. We need everyday people to be ethical as well.
I hear you. My view of the human species has dimmed considerably since this whole debacle began. The only way that I can manage to avoid falling into total misanthropy is to remind myself that there is a system that has been constructed around us, with great intentionality, to poison our bodies and minds with garbage food, a schooling system that destroys critical thinking capacity instead of nurturing it, toxic drugs (prescription and recreational), trash 'entertainment', role models who embody the worse aspects of human nature rather than the best, and ideologies that promote wallowing in grievance rather than striving for self-improvement. Some of us manage to avoid being totally subsumed by this system, but we don't really understand why we're able to resist it - I figure it's just the way we're born, so we don't have the right to claim credit for it.
My husband, on the other hand, thinks 99.9% of humans are total trash and wants nothing further to do with them, and he can't understand why I make excuses for them :). To each their own, I guess!
As did I, Robyn (although I was a nurse, not a doctor). I'm sorry you have been forced from your job, although I can certainly relate to the following of your conscience. I'm glad you are doing well now. I understand what you're saying about the average person, but I think the ethical burden on healthcare professionals is higher and therefore we must demand more of ourselves and our colleagues (and that extends to punitive measures for those who have breached their ethical duty). It's one thing for a person to have ignored the thorough, good-faith advice of their doctor during the pandemic, as this is the average person's prerogative (as it is with any health advice). It is quite another for a doctor or other HCP to provide incomplete, inaccurate and/or disingenuous advice to a patient, thereby circumventing proper informed consent, and then making excuses for why they had 'no choice' but to do so.
My suspicions are immediately aroused by the Data availability statement: "Data may be obtained from a third party and are not publicly available." Why hide the data source? Also the follow-up time is very short - only 90 days. It's disingenuous of the authors to claim that "These findings suggest that the clinical outcomes of myocarditis associated with SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination are less severe than the outcomes of other types of myocarditis", when myocarditis is known to increase risk of heart failure and death over many years.
Great point about hiding the data and the short time of the study. Setting that aside, the study is remarkable in showing that Myocarditis is much more common from vaccination than COVID. This certainly cuts against the propaganda narrative about myocarditis being much more likely from COVID. Thank you for your response.
Yes, that's true. The hospital readmission rate was also higher in the jabbed people than those who had myocarditis associated with COVID-19. The big difference was in death and heart failure rates which were higher in those who had COVID-19-associated myocarditis than in those with jab myocarditis. This is the bit I'm suspicious about, partly because the absolute numbers are low (so I doubt the trial was adequately powered to detect differences) and partly because, as I mentioned before, the follow-up period was so short. It's also noteworthy that the majority of people who developed COVID-19-associated myocarditis were over 40 which raises the suspicion that many may have had undiagnosed cardiovascular disease prior to developing COVID-19.
Thank you for your response. Yes, it always pays to be suspicious given the constant lying over the past few years and because of the tremendous influence of Pharma over the medical journals and medical research.
I do remember those studies because by then I had realised just how much we have to be our own journalists. Sadly, I also think we need to be our own legal system:(https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/die-unfair-arbeitskommission)
I agree with Arkmedic that the courts are compromised, but the secret to success here is sheer volume of actions. Never forget that there were hundreds of unsuccessful lawsuits against the tobacco companies before the trial lawyers broke through, but they learned something from every case they lost, and eventually they succeeded in a huge way.
I know that's how success comes in reality, but I nevertheless fantasize about a world where it does not take 45 years and hundreds of court cases to get industry regulators and companies to be somewhat accountable. I even fantasize about a level of success where that accountability actually extends beyond a dollar settlement - to prison time for the executives, regulators, court officials who so brazenly obstructed justice, committed fraud and profited from the misery of others.
I agree that this is what SHOULD happen. As you know, that would require major reform of corporations law (I would argue that corporations law should be repealed) and the laws that currently protect government officials from being prosecuted for their actions.
Oh wouldn't that be nice!!! :-D
Let the lawsuits begin 🔥🔥🔥
Here are some links to Australian legal professionals who can help:
https://www.advocateme.com.au/
https://aflsolicitors.com.au/about
http://woodburnsolicitors.com/home.html
I've added these to the article. Thanks!
Well done Robyn thank you
What about the Thai study that showed almost 30% of 13-18 year-olds got some form of 'cardiovascular manifestations' post-jab?
https://www.mdpi.com/2414-6366/7/8/196
So many damaged (and dead!) people from these disastrous and evil injections.
This rollout should never have happened, but it did. It should not still be going on, but it is. People should not have been lied to like this, but they were - and still are.
It's going to take one helluva push from the public to stop this madness. I give it at least 2 years to get the full pushback required. But by then, what utter carnage will have been unleashed...?
People are too slow to wake up. Too many are OK with being hurt/damaged/killed. Not enough people are pushing back. And by the time we drag cases through court, that's the 2+ years passed!
Oh yes, the Thai study!!! Thanks for reminding me about this one; for some reason I didn't have it in my article file. I will add this one to the post.
My mind shrinks away from even contemplating the scenario that we might be in, in 5-10 years, if even half of everything that is currently suspected about the jabs turns out to be true. I'm already seeing an uptick in cancers in my client population, in addition to the better-known cardiac adverse events.
Excellent analysis thank you. It will be interesting to observe in the next few months, how or if, the respective government bodies, acknowledge these adverse reactions from the 'vaccine'. I do feel for some medical practitioners who bought the narrative, no sympathy at all for the media.
My prediction is that the government will continue to deny, stonewall and gaslight the vast majority of injured people, while admitting to a very small number of adverse reactions that affect very few people.
As for the doctors who bought the narrative, my sympathy is very limited. They should have read the literature for themselves instead of swallowing the narrative hook, line and sinker. Their ethical responsibility is to make medical decisions on behalf of their individual patients. Yet these total scumbags have pushed jabs onto pregnant women, children and babies. Unforgiveable.
The media are disgraceful scum and deserve to rot in prison for the rest of their miserable lives.
Definitely agree. The medical-govt-media complex must be held to account.
Agree. The vaccine-injured are being palmed off, fortunately the 'real' health practitioners are treating them. I sometimes wonder if I am living in an 'alternate' universe, only to awaken to the nightmare. A number of people here who bought the jab or were forced to in order to work are pushing back. Will be interesting to witness who lines up for the next miracle shot. MSM are complicit as are many of the medical fraternity. 1-3 yrs more of the planned agenda to play out, hopefully not longer!
The push-back is accelerating. Pfizer in particular is facing attacks on multiple fronts. Once the discovery process gets underway in the multiple court cases that they're either already facing or will soon face, a lot of guilty parties will be revealed.
Aren’t you being a bit too kind ? :)
I suppose I could have called for them to be hanged, drawn and quartered ;-). I'm quite content with confiscation of all the assets they acquired as a result of their complicity in the narrative, and life-long imprisonment.
Actually, one more thing - they should have to sit in a court room and hear testimony from all the people who were harmed as a result of their demagoguery. Not just the 'vaccine'-injured, but the people whose businesses were closed down, those who were assaulted by the police, and those whose family members and friends turned against them because they weren't buying the narrative that the presstitutes were responsible for purveying.
I think for the true sociopaths, they couldn't care less about anyone's demise. They'd just sit there, with a blank look on their face, or they'd look at their nails sometimes, or out the window. Anything but engaging with these victims of societal collapse that these sociopaths pushed.
However, it would be helpful, possibly even cathartic, for these harmed people to be able to have their say - even if it falls on deaf ears.
Taking away these sociopaths' acquired assets/material goods, as well as tarnishing their names would help, but it wouldn't stop people like this. Even in prison, they'd find a way to do the dodgy! Sometimes I think a bullet to the head after they've heard everyone's testimonies would be more suitable. Think of all the money we'd save not feeding, housing, or clothing them in jail! :-D
I do agree that some people are so lacking in basic human decency that no amount of confrontation with the consequences of their bad behaviour would shame them; the movie Judgment at Nuremburg, which I understand was a pretty accurate representation of what actually took place in the lawyers' trial, is a great artistic depiction of this.
In cases like this, the purpose of victim testimony is, as you wrote, to provide catharsis for people who were harmed, and the purpose of punishment is its deterrence value to others who might contemplate such actions.
It's almost certain that psychopaths are not capable of rehabilitation, but sociopaths may be.
I'm torn on the issue of capital punishment. The libertarian in me says that the state has no right to take away life, and that if the people take such matters into their hands, we've descended into mob rule. On the other hand, Mathew Crawford's description (in https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-kunlangeta-part-i) of how the Inuit handle kulangeta (their word for irredeemable wrongdoers) is quite compelling: "Somebody would have pushed him off the ice when nobody else was looking." Asset seizure would partially solve the problem of paying for the upkeep of such people, but of course there are always unintended consequences, e.g. if you throw the offspring of imprisoned sociopaths into abject poverty by seizing the assets of their parents, do you increase the risk that they will become sociopaths too?
I honestly don't know the correct way of solving this, or even if there is one. I'm reminded of Gandalf's caution to Frodo: "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."
Brilliant summary of this research, Robyn. I worry for some of my former colleagues who have administered these prodects to patients, especially children.
To be clear, I worry more for those injected, but I also wish my former colleagues had been more assertive in their assessment of information like this. This may have saved lives, and would also have protected them from the legal, moral and ethical consequences they are likely to face.
It might seem unjust for me to call for injured people to sue their doctors when there were so many people whose actions and inactions contributed to this catastrophe. However, the process of getting accountability and justice needs to start somewhere, and doctors have a moral obligation to exercise their medical judgment on behalf of their individual patients, in a way that other professionals who were derelict in their duties (lawyers and journalists, for example) do not. Their betrayal is the most personal.
I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. I am not suggesting their should not be consequences, I just feel sad for those I know who I believe to be otherwise good people. I think you're right though; doctors, nurses and other healthcare professionals have the highest duty of care, and ethical failures must be appropriately addressed. The appalling lack of informed consent and the egregious coercion people were subjected (not to mention the many adverse effects suffered) should have been an obvious red flag which these healthcare professionals should have recognised AND forcefully pushed back against, regardless of the risk of professional consequences. To argue (as some people do) that doctors have mortgages, bills, etc. too and therefore needed to protect their jobs, cannot be an acceptable justification for their silence and complicity. As healthcare workers, our ethical duty to our patients is (or should be) paramount.
I pushed back. But I ended up closing my practice. I wasn't going to be a part of it. It became too painful to bear. We sold up and moved 1000km away. I've not worked for a year now. Still feels good :-)
But I didn't leave town because of the people administering this crap. I left mainly because 95% of my patients willingly took the crap, no matter what I explained to them (the truth!), and they took the jabs for mostly the same 'social' reasons as the perpetrators: they didn't want to lose social status by not being able to go into a shop/losing face locally, or not being able to pay their bills. True, some were scared and didn't want to die - but by taking these jabs they sure took the wrong path!!
There was failure to be a DECENT person on both sides of the fence. Many times the patients' thought processes were just as bad as the jabbers'.
Somewhere along the line you have to accept responsibility for your life, including your health, and so to ignore people you trust and have even known a long time, just because their words don't fit the social narrative, well, all I can say is that as a species, we're screwed.
And might I add that we are probably screwed because we need to evoke emotion to engage logic in our brains. When emotion wins out, logic never can. Most people have been effectively brainwashed with the whole covid saga, let alone lots of other sagas. Unless enough people can somehow manage to stand up against this, and finally scream "Enough!", then we will never see justice, or a decent improvement in society.
Just asking healthcare workers to be ethical is not enough. We need everyday people to be ethical as well.
I hear you. My view of the human species has dimmed considerably since this whole debacle began. The only way that I can manage to avoid falling into total misanthropy is to remind myself that there is a system that has been constructed around us, with great intentionality, to poison our bodies and minds with garbage food, a schooling system that destroys critical thinking capacity instead of nurturing it, toxic drugs (prescription and recreational), trash 'entertainment', role models who embody the worse aspects of human nature rather than the best, and ideologies that promote wallowing in grievance rather than striving for self-improvement. Some of us manage to avoid being totally subsumed by this system, but we don't really understand why we're able to resist it - I figure it's just the way we're born, so we don't have the right to claim credit for it.
My husband, on the other hand, thinks 99.9% of humans are total trash and wants nothing further to do with them, and he can't understand why I make excuses for them :). To each their own, I guess!
As did I, Robyn (although I was a nurse, not a doctor). I'm sorry you have been forced from your job, although I can certainly relate to the following of your conscience. I'm glad you are doing well now. I understand what you're saying about the average person, but I think the ethical burden on healthcare professionals is higher and therefore we must demand more of ourselves and our colleagues (and that extends to punitive measures for those who have breached their ethical duty). It's one thing for a person to have ignored the thorough, good-faith advice of their doctor during the pandemic, as this is the average person's prerogative (as it is with any health advice). It is quite another for a doctor or other HCP to provide incomplete, inaccurate and/or disingenuous advice to a patient, thereby circumventing proper informed consent, and then making excuses for why they had 'no choice' but to do so.
'I was just following orders'.... now where have I heard that before?
Did you see this one?
https://bmjmedicine.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000373
My suspicions are immediately aroused by the Data availability statement: "Data may be obtained from a third party and are not publicly available." Why hide the data source? Also the follow-up time is very short - only 90 days. It's disingenuous of the authors to claim that "These findings suggest that the clinical outcomes of myocarditis associated with SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination are less severe than the outcomes of other types of myocarditis", when myocarditis is known to increase risk of heart failure and death over many years.
Great point about hiding the data and the short time of the study. Setting that aside, the study is remarkable in showing that Myocarditis is much more common from vaccination than COVID. This certainly cuts against the propaganda narrative about myocarditis being much more likely from COVID. Thank you for your response.
Yes, that's true. The hospital readmission rate was also higher in the jabbed people than those who had myocarditis associated with COVID-19. The big difference was in death and heart failure rates which were higher in those who had COVID-19-associated myocarditis than in those with jab myocarditis. This is the bit I'm suspicious about, partly because the absolute numbers are low (so I doubt the trial was adequately powered to detect differences) and partly because, as I mentioned before, the follow-up period was so short. It's also noteworthy that the majority of people who developed COVID-19-associated myocarditis were over 40 which raises the suspicion that many may have had undiagnosed cardiovascular disease prior to developing COVID-19.
All in all, it's a very problematic study.
Thank you for your response. Yes, it always pays to be suspicious given the constant lying over the past few years and because of the tremendous influence of Pharma over the medical journals and medical research.
Hotchkin Hanly in WA maybe